Unbloody vehicle. Whats worse is that shes innocent. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Disagree with According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. She hadn't lived long enough.". simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Walmart woe. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". They broke up in 1993. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. Ms. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Weak wages. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. Trash-talking ex. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. Animals would have for sure. Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. You murdered your girls," she said. Stable situation. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. She had money put aside. Traupman died in 2016. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! No explanation given. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. 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I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. At that time he was living in Connecticut. This is the most ridiculous take ever! In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. And I have absolutely no sympathy. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. . WoW! The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. We didnt expect it. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. The evidence was all there. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. pTq r |G.H=IO-I7`,|&m2tj1Lo;{~}squ_~zpMq7 Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm Have a tip or story idea? According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. So, lets take your response one step at a time. I agree. The case was eventually abandoned. Prosecutor pounds away. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. She took out the woman who replaced her. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. That poor child and that poor woman. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. I thought the same. Nobody said bodies were intact. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Patricia Owens, Required fields are marked *. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. What a lame article. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. Probably by the jeans and the boots. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. in journalism from the University of Southern California. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Exactly But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. We really thought she was dead all those years. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. They are total bs. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. She was wrongfully convicted.. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. You took my life. Patricia is a evil monster. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Just one example. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Liesbeth Powers/The Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder.