By the way; it is a pretty decent movie in the class with Quiggley Down Under.almost. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. It was a great pointer and very accurate. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Reenacting: CW & IW
Nicks a real tech wizard. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. This version features improved accuracy. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Some folks claim doing so helps prevent chain fires, or all the cylinders going off at once. It ensures that every round fires the same without pushing the ball too deep into the cylinder. You have entered an incorrect email address! Easier to load and clean. PIETTA AND I SHOOT 30 GRAINS OF PYRODEX FFFG AND IT JUST WILL MOVE MY HAND CAN I GO A LITTLE HIGHER ON MY GRAINS I AM A FIRST TIME SHOOTER OF THE CAP AND BALL REVOLVER THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME PAUL. I wound up selling it shortly thereafter. New in Box-never fired. Black Powder Revolver Manual. Black Powder Revolver Manual. Colonel in Texas Army. Would barrel, cylinders, etc. While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. Sorry for misleading anyone. At the poor fellows Autopsy! Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. Which further compromised the already doubtfull Accuracy of the Colt Style revolver! Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. (#% or 40 grains.) This was a very common happening in the field. Very nice article on the 1858 Remington. Used, grip strap wear and shows handling. This was sometime in the early 2000's. Any rifle, pistol or shotgun made prior to that majic date is paper free. Me too. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion Even though todays 1858s are made with modern steels and CNC machines, you still want to shoot only light cowboy loads through them. Put the caps in the back and shoot. I have one of these which I bought after a whole lot of looking and reading. Eventually, the design inspired the 1875 Remington, a true metallic cartridge revolver, but one that clearly shows the influences from the 1858. A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. Have fun. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. Like this guy. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. thereof. I had the same problem. That is true. Or something like that. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. There are about three or four brands out there, so find the one that works best. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. But it's action Oh, it's action REALLY stank. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Great review. SOME PATINA ON 36 Caliber; 80% blue, fair bore, good grips, 505'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1862 POCKET NAVY REVOLVER. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why it broke due to stress risers from the poorly finished part). The definition includes any replica of an antique firearm if it is not designed or redesigned for usingrimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or uses rimfire or conventional centerfire ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States, and which is not readily available in ordinary channels of commercial trade. 1899. 10s will probably be best. Army Generals, The Gentleman in charge of the War Appropriations Dept., and LOTS of High Ranking Army Officers! Cimarron Thunderer and In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Java, from Plymouth MA. I started out with 10 to 15 grains, then worked up. That sucker started flipping all over the place. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. Type: Revolver. I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. There is research indicating that chain fires are probably caused by sparks getting under loose-fitting percussion caps. Shooting, Reading, Riding my Horses, Maintaining my Ranch, Conversing With Friends and Family, Fixing Guns, (good) Old Western Movies, CAS, guns and shooting, guitar, reading, writing, CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, THINGS THAT GO BANG! In between, he was granted US Patent No. Youre reloaded. If you look closely during that scene, you can see the metallic cartridge loading gate cut into the 1858, as well as the metallic cartridges themselves peeking out of the cylinder that Preacher grabs with his left hand. They refused to talk with the others. In the beginning, I had a pair of ASM Colt clones. After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. This is what the reg provides: The term antique firearm means any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system)manufactured in or before 1898. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. The type of man who could sell Deep Freezers and electric Fans to Eskimos! Great article. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. In a way, you could say it was two guns in one! surrounded by 9 .44 chambers. I called VTI. Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. New in Box-never fired. Black Powder Revolver Manual. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Brass (frame) is kinda pretty but Steel much stronger and more durable. Tops all my Glocks, Berrets, Sigs, ARs, AKs etc. Friends (very few of them) are welcome to spend the night on the sofa, be on the back porch at sunrise, and harvest a doe with his thanks. Cimarron Thunderer and Remington. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. I also had 2 spare cylinders. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. Barrel: 12 inch Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. The guns worked flawlessly in stock form when I sold them. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). The standard pistol primer is an 11, but if it does not fit tightly and has to be squeezed to make it stay on, you have the wrong size. I purchased it new from EMF in 1986. Barrel: 12 inch Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. One was an early 50s bolt-action Savage Sporter in .25-20, which would do everything at 125 yards you could reasonably expect from a good .22 at 50. Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. BORE IS IN FAIR CONDITION. Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting THE FRAME, HAMMER AND RAM ROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN 97% OF EUROARMS 1858 REMINGTON NEW ARMY - C56032, Westerners Arms Colt Percussion Revolver - C56011, Mendi Single Barrel Percussion Pistol - C55991, Italian Guild Remington Percussion - C55994, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army Not to mention that shooting 58 Remington reproduction is just an absolute hoot. No rust on my guns! The only real lemon was an ASM. A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. True for the 1873 and any other revolver deaigned to fire cartridges. And if you happen to have another pre-loaded cylinder with you, PRESTO! Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. Powered by Invision Community. Buffalo. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting To avoid the dreaded chain fire, find caps that fit tightly on your nipples. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. Jim, you mentioned the Ruger Old Army , 44 cal. even the center fire 45-70 and the 45 colt cowboy rounds are NOT considered a fire arm, due to the FACT that they use slower burning black powder to fire them! Not that it cant be done. FRONT SIGHT IS MISSING. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. If you see one for sale someplace, check it out carefully before you buy. Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. I have a Pietta target model I like to take with me backpacking. .. when I first tried sass back in the nineties this brand was Quite popular .. now that Ive returned to sass after ten plus year, never here or see any thing , Just curious mostly as they been sit in in my safe for over ten years.. they were fun to shoot for someone who couldn't afford real guns like me STAN. Safety pins, safety notches, po-TAY-tow, po-TOT-owe. The .44 ball over 35 grains is enough to kill a horse. New in Box-never fired. The lesson is that if you shoot a black powder rifle dont think you know how to clean this pistol. Often the outside contour dimensions will differ at the bottom of the barrel lug at the frame, but that's not a critical thing. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. View more auctions here. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top The 1858 is the modern name for the Remington New Model Army/Navy revolvers, which were introduced circa 1863. I also don't hestate to loan it to others. CASE HARDENED RECEIVER. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 I weighs a ton, has a 9 inch barrel and is damn accurate. They thought if they started raising the price on their guns to in the, same range as Uberti that all the problems would go away. Red Coats Get Run Off. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. If yoiui can keep all six shots in a four inch circle, at whatever range you think you are likely to see a deer, then take your Remington Percussion Revolver hunting. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. The grips were too thin to get a good grip of. THE FRAME , HAMMER AND RAMROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN APPROX 94% OF .45 Colt; 98% blue, near mint bore, very good grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. Something went wrong. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. If were arbitrarily going to pick a time period of weaponry that makes you a true hunter, lets go caveman. I am convinced that the ONLY Reason that Colt got so many Government Contracts for this revolver design, was that he was a very good salesman! The Colt uses a "rampant" pony where the ASM is a pony just standing. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. hikin PCT ,shooting steel bandits .TRAINS, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. I have an ASM Colt clone. Fordyce Beals knew what he was doing. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. We spotted this boxed ASM Walker at a pawn and gun shop at a price I couldn't pass up. Then little oil and you are set. There is a wide variance in rifles, and I have seen it claimed that range is no more than 100 yards. Thanks in advance. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS AS IS THE CASE COLORED FRAME AND HAMMER. It is the reciever/frame of any gun that is the controlled part, basically the receiver or frame IS the gun, legally. That's your build date. 1866 Rifle Manual. I like that yall are diversifying the content a little bit. BLUED BARREL SHOWS SMALL AREA OF PATINA ON LEFT ADJACENT TO RECEIVER. There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. Are the parts hand made/fitted, or is the manufacture generic these days? Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1858 Remington (and some things you didnt!). When Puma started having the 92's made by them instead of Rossi in Brazil, they increased the prices but not the workmanship. It just looks cooler (IMO) than the navy, walker, or dragoon. They were in a nut shell, junk. Customer Service. 1873 Rifle Manual. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL See each listing for international shipping options and costs. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. It blew LaHood through a windowyumm. The 1858 Remmy is my favorite gun. I remember that ASM was sold to American Western Arms who only produces cartridge revolvers. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. SOLD Ive been pretty satisfied with Clean Shot sub, and it smokes a lot less and produces significantly less fouling. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52776. I will probably get a short-barreled Sheriff model later this year. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion Further, any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol which is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition, is an antique firearm unless it (1) incorporates a firearm frame or receiver; (2) is a firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or (3) is a muzzle loading weapon which can be readily On opening day he is in his blind and simply waits for a really good buck to come along. 1873 Single Action Manual. STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. 1873 Single Action Manual. In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. I know we are here because our forefathers were able to bring down food with primitive firearms.